Bogging

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Hey guys,
I am having a little trouble getting this thing set up. I have a 30mm OKO carb (PWK) with a PB Airbox, Shearer Pipe, VForce 3 motor is stock after that. I tried running anywhere from a 150 to 170 main jet, 52 slow jet with the air adjustmet 1 1/2 turns out and the needle clip in the top position. Plug chop looked fine with the 170 main believe it or not, but it acts like it's running out of gas sometimes and it boggs every once in a while. I was wondering if anyone else has a similar set up that I can compare to. I am not sure if the slow jet is wrong or if the air adjustment is way off. I know it runs worse when I move the needle clip position down. Does anyone have any ideas?
 
there must be something wrong with your float bowl. when your cruising does it run ok and then when u have it at full throttle does it bog. if so its most likely because your float bowl is getting ran empty which means u need to check the float bowl and jets to make sure they are clear of debris.
 
Pilot is most likely to big. Have you read the stickys on how to set up a pwk?
Make sure you have fresh gas, clean air filter. You also need to be sure that the cable is adjusted to where the slide will completely close when your off the throttle, otherwise you'll never get the pilot set. Make sure the motor is wamed up also.
I'd say your going to be around a 40 pilot maybe 42. I'd move the clip down one notch until you get the pilot right,alot of pistons get burned up because of to lean of a needle setting.
My sons Blaster has a 35pwk, we run a 40pilot,needle in the leanest position, 160 main.
 
Thanks guys, it looks like everything is to to big. Instead of 170 main, 52 pilot, and top position, I'm going to try 160 main, 40 pilot, and set the needle clip one position down. Thanks for the help.
 
Ok guys,
42 pilot jet, 162 Main, needle clip is set in the middle, air screw is out 1 1/2 turns. The problem with the bogging was due to the fact that I bent the floats in a bit when I put the bowl back on. They were getting hung up and not letting gas get in and then would slowly drop back down. I figured it out because It wouldn't start and I removed the bottom screw and got no gas. It runs very smoothly, but doesn't seem to have the bottom end it had before. the plug looks a little lean should I move the needle clip up one or go up on the main or both? What effect does the pilot have in the RPM range?
 
If you can start it cold with no choke, the pilot circuit is too rich.
If, when warm, the idle seems to hang when blipping the throttle, the pilot circuit is too lean.

The best way to set a pilot circuit is with an RPM guage. Warm the bike up and turn the mixture screw to where you get the highest RPM. If it's below 3/4 turns, or above 2.5 turns, change the pilot jet and try again.

On a 2-stroke - You should be able to ride in 3rd gear, throtlle BARELY cracked open, and it should cruise smoothly. If it sputters and crackles, the pilot is too rich. If it bogs, the pilot is too lean.

Ona 4-stroke - If it stalls in corners, flames out, and is really darn tough to start, the pilot is too lean. If it feels a little dead until you wind it out, the pilot is too rich. Another test it to rev it out a little in 2nd and then let the throttle snap shut. As it's decelerating, there should be very little backfire or popping - if it pops the whole way down, the pilot circuit is lean.

Needle Clip:

On a 2-stroke - Riding in 3rd gear, with a warm engine and the throttle BARELY cracked open, roll the throttle to 1/2. If the bike sputters and crackles, and you feel like you have to keep rolling on the throttle to smooth it out, the needle is too rich. If, on the otherhand, you get the dreaded 'buhhhhhhwaaaaa', the needle is too lean.

On a 4-stroke - Riding in 3rd with the throttle barely cracked open and roll the throttle open to 1/2. The engine should pull smoothly... if it hesitates and threatens to stall, then the needle is too lean. If it feels 'dead' and won't pick up RPM quickly, then the needle is too rich. An overheating thumper that doesn't have a radiator problem typically is an indicator of a lean needle.

Main jet:

On a 2-stroke - Riding in 3rd, with the throttle BARELY cracked open and cruising along, whack the throttle wide open. If you end up with a set of handlebars impacting your nose, or you loop out, the main is perfect! If it crackles, smokes, and won't get 'on the pipe' quickly, then the main is too rich. If it gives a 'buuuuhhhhwwaaa' sound and feels like it's sucking for air, then the main is too lean.

On a 4-stroke. If the engine feels like it's run into a wall and won't pull full throttle - the engine just sounds dead - then the main is too rich. If, on the other hand, it surges, the main is lean. A lean condition will also give you some 'pinging' and a pure white plug.

Advanced Topics:

I will continue to add to this FAQ as time allows. I'll start with the needle because that's the circuit that is 'in play' the most.

The needle regulates the mixture from around 1/4 - 3/4 throttle. Most people are familiar with the clip position, as it's the most common adjustment, but there's much more to the needle. The jet needle is a long rod that fits into the needle jet. On most carbs, both are replaceable with different sized components. As the throttle is opened, the jet needle is retracted from the needle jet and this creates space between the two for gas to flow through. The more you open the throttle, the more the jet needle is pulled out of the needle jet, and consequently the more gas can pass through the increasing space between them. Below I'll outline the various parts of the jet needle.

Length - The relative length of the needle is adjustable by raising or lowering the clip. If you lower the needle (by raising the clip), then the needle sits deeper in the needle jet. This leans out the mixture across the range of the needle. Conversly, if you raise the needle (by lowering the clip), then the needle is further retracted from the needle jet, and this richens the mixture across the needle's range. Needles are offered in various lenghths. If you have a needle which is still too rich, even though it's in clip position 1, then you need to order a longer needle. For example, needle 'A' in clip position 1 is the exact same relative length as needle 'B' in clip position 3. If you had needle A in your bike, and it was still rich - even though you had the clip in position 1, then you could change to needle 'B' and lean things out by going to clip position 2.

Root Diameter - Needles are offered in several different root diameters. The jet needle sits in a hole in the needle jet, as mentioned. The clip position determines how deep it sits in the hole. The root diameter, on the otherhand, is the diameter of the needle at it's pointy end. The wider the root diameter, the smaller the space between the needle and the hole in the needle jet. Therefore, I needle with a larger root diameter will be leaner than a needle with a smaller root diameter. The root diameter overlaps with the slide cutaway, which is to say that it affects primarily 1/8th to 1/4 throttle mixture. Typically you would swap for a needle with a larger root diameter to compensate for high altitude (or extreme heat).

Needle taper - Needles taper from top to bottom. As with all principles regarding the needle, the taper is relative to the diameter of the hole in the needle jet. Tapers are rarely changed, but here's a condition which warrants a taper change. Let's say the jetting is perfect at 1/4 throttle, but becomes increasingly leaner as you approach 3/4 throttle. In that case, you would want a needle with a shallower taper. Conversly, if the mixture is great at 1/4 throttle, but getting richer and richer as you approach 3/4 throttle, then the needle taper needs to be steeper. In my experience, needle taper only needs to be changed when the factory mis-spec'd it to begin with. Under very rare circumstances, big modifications to the motor - such as an overbore kit - will require a change in needle taper.


Remember that jetting needs to be adjusted for every 2000' elevation change and every 15 degree temperature change. If it was jetted right this summer, it's sure to be too lean during the winter. If you rejet it now, when it's cold out, make sure to lean it out a bit in the spring.
 
The float must be good because I am not running out of gas. I tried 42 pilot, 162 main needle in the 2nd and 3rd position. It ran pretty smooth but when I'm riding in second or third with the throttle barely cracked open and punch it there is throttle response, but it seem to take a little to get going. Funny thing is I tried 50 pilot jet, needle in 3rd position 165 main and really I get the same thing. The plug chop looks a little lean to me no matter what I do. I am wondering if I have a carb problem other than jetting. I could not run a main lower than 160 right now no matter what the needle or pilot was set at. I might have to drop this thing off and have someone look at it. I have never had this problem before.
 
If you give up now you won't learn anything.
If your making moves as large as you are without noticing an improvement something
is not quite right. You may have a air leak or the slide is not closing completely.
I'd also check the float height, just to make sure it's correct.
If you follow one of the tuning guides up above you really can't go wrong.
I always start with the pilot, then the needle, then the main.
You want the motor to be pulling from idle to wide open nice and smooth with out any sputtering and no bogging.
 
well for one when you jet a carb your only suppose to do one ciruit at a time so that way if you do have a problem you know what caused it...
 
Yes I know, I have done that each time. I spent the entire day yesterday trying different things. Each time I did the pilot first, then the air screw, then the needle clip and then the main. Each adjustment I rode it. As I said earlier I have never had this problem, my other son's Cobra and my daughters DRR went really easy.
 
ha ha ha lol i told u it was the float bowl. rep for myself from myself lol jk. i think your just running your main to lean, if your spark plug chop keeps showing your lean unless.... have u checked youor head gasket lately. cuz if its got an air leak then thats why u can never get your jetting right. just a suggestion. thats what i would check next.
 
Hi I have a 95 blaster bone stock. I just bought a power core2 silencer. I'm saving money for the pipe. I also bought boysen power reeds for it. I want to put the stuff on but I'm curious if I have to rejet or not and ifso around what size??? Any suggestions?
 
Scottt07
you don't have to rejet for the silencer but should rejet for the boysen reeds
Boysen has a guide included with the reed to give you an idea.